Jeremy Clarkson Forum

[Andy GM Wood]

Dear Mr Clarkson ... or ... Hi Jezza ... whichever you prefer

I've been trying to get my head around the whole Climate Change, Global Warming issue recently and there doesn't seem to be any independent, or untainted, source of information upon which to base my opinion. The discussion very quickly turns into a Creation vs Evolution style slanging match (though I suspect the actuality is far from as clear cut as that particular issue!).

Anyway, I greatly admire a number of documentaries you have been involved in, Brunel and the St Nazaire raid for example (hmmm. They may be the only two!), and feel you could bring your own inimitable style to the proceedings.

As a well known nay-sayer I would suggest you try to prove it is humans causing the climate change and see where that takes you ...
Maybe it would be enough to kick-start some serious discussion just to take pro-Human Global Warming arguments and publicly debunk them - but you should also do the same with any flawed anti-HGW arguments, as it is a disservice to either argument to proffer bad-science and those who do need to be spanked!

Please spank them!

Regards

Andy

[lesbodriver]

Way to go- why not send Jezza to represent the EU at the climate change talks in Copenhagen!

[norfolkcaravanner]

yeah...and a couple of honest scientists....global warming a load of bollocks, new religion.....new cash machine for our lot.....one of the biggest tosspots is Hillary Benn.....bit like Anthony Wedgewood before him....lets all eat less meat because cows fart...thus killing the two polar bears......OK..lets start by killing all the millions of sacred cows in Asia.....could get a good deal from Mcdonalds for that lot.....might help out with the poverty bit as well...two gallons of fresh water for every cow...and stop pissing in the Ganges!

[lesbodriver]

Oh norfolk caravanner what a load of tosh! You don't really believe all that bollox about global warming being a leftie conspiracy do you? Whatever next- I suppose you think roundabouts are an excessive infringment on your liberty and speed cameras the work of the devil? hugs and kisses

[norfolkcaravanner]

You finished reading this weeks "Beano" yet ?.......

[lesbodriver]

Oh come on caravanman, can't you take a joke?

[welshwizard]

Oh norfolk caravanner what a load of tosh! You don't really believe all that bollox about global warming being a leftie conspiracy do you? Whatever next- I suppose you think roundabouts are an excessive infringment on your liberty and speed cameras the work of the devil? hugs and kisses

We can already see that despite our politicians claiming Lisbon changed nothing................And now we are no longer a sovereign nation, but subservient to the EUSSR's desire to become a super state run by en-elected mandarins (see how was your day thread). Carbon and global warming is the leftists clear decision to create global governance (do a little research on Maurice Strong) using the environment as the starting point, just like the common market was the start with the EUSSR.

[Ivor Bigtruck]

Within the last couple of weeks, Brazil has overtaken the U.K. as one of the worlds richest economies, partly thanks to their export market of hardwood timber taken from their vast rainforests. These rainforests act as the lungs of the world, soaking up CO2 and churning out oxygen. Any kid who went to school when I did could have told you that.

So whilst we are all being told we must trade our carbon and sell our cars, this is completely insignificant against the damage being done by the Brazilians. All these global warming, save the polar bears and penguins, Eco Nutters should lobby to address the real problems facing the worlds environment, if indeed such problems actually exist!

I bet there will be a few more politicians rushing to get a place at the Copenhagen Summit now that the Danish Prostitutes Union has issues vouchers offering free sex to all delegates. Or am I missing the point here, and they could have claimed it back on expenses anyway?

Legoland? More like Legover Land!

Nothing would surprise me these days!

[welshwizard]

Historically at such events 60%+ of the so called 'delegates' are activists from greenpeace, friends of the earth etc who all have a green agenda to spout about, and would certainly stop at nothing, even telling bare faced lies like the IPPC own centre of research Hadley Centre and University of East Anglia.

[lesbodriver]

Welshwizard, I love your posts; the mad rantings of a deluded nut. Granted you're in great company: The Daily Mail, the President of Iran, Nick Griffin and the rest of loony right, not to mention their (what irony) Saudi Arabian bedfellows. And what are the grounds for this great conspiracy? Ah yes, a couple of emails from scientists at the University of East Anglia. The University of East Anglia for god's sake; it's in effing Norwich!! Anyway, what will this post-capitalist, green nirvana look like I ask myself? Twenty mile an hour speed limits, Jezzer driving a Nissan Leaf (five door family hatchback, zero emissions) and the glorious Welsh countryside covered in wind turbines- now there's a delicious thought!!!!!

[welshwizard]

Welshwizard, I love your posts; the mad rantings of a deluded nut. Granted you're in great company: The Daily Mail, the President of Iran, Nick Griffin and the rest of loony right, not to mention their (what irony) Saudi Arabian bedfellows. And what are the grounds for this great conspiracy? Ah yes, a couple of emails from scientists at the University of East Anglia. The University of East Anglia for god's sake; it's in effing Norwich!! Anyway, what will this post-capitalist, green nirvana look like I ask myself? Twenty mile an hour speed limits, Jezzer driving a Nissan Leaf (five door family hatchback, zero emissions) and the glorious Welsh countryside covered in wind turbines- now there's a delicious thought!!!!!

You have an internet connection. Do some research. If you had you'll know that there are only 2 organisations that supply temperature data and forecasts that the IPPC base all their politically motivated scenarios on, and they are NASA and the Hadley Centre at the University of East Anglia in little old Norwich.
In a previous report the IPPC gave headline coverage to the 'hockey stick' graph (report 2) as clear scientific proof that the world was warming, and man was responsible..........................But of course, that hockey stick graff was totally discredited as being false by Steve McIntyre of climate audit, a fact now accepted by the IPPC, (never the less the scientist that created it, Prof Michael Mann was still employed by Penn state and the IPPC, or at least suspended just like Prof Phil Jones of the CRU Hadley). So the scientists involved are not immune to bending the facts to suit the cause, after all they do have a mortgage to pay, and the £13 million of UK, US and EUSSR tax payers money received by Prof Phil Jones (potentially a vested interest in keeping the whole myth going) over the last few years has certainly helped.

[lesbodriver]

Keep your hair on taffy, I was only pulling your little Welsh todger. To say they only base their analysis on two sources of data is akin to saying Wales is just Cardiff and Swansea. What about all those poor gits living in Aberystwyth and Shropshire! And as for Steve, oh mist rolling in from the sea, McIntyre, where's he based then? I bet it's Lampeter. And as for his hockey stick horseshit, that was nothing more than a botched application of the MBH98 procedure, where the authors (MM) removed 80% of the proxy data actually used by MBH98 during the 15th century period... Indeed, the bizarre resulting claim by MM of anomalous 15th century warmth (which falls within the heart of the "Little Ice Age") is at odds with not only the MBH98 reconstruction, but, in fact the roughly dozen other estimates now published that agree with MBH98 within estimated uncertainties. Love lesboxxx

[welshwizard]

Keep your hair on taffy, I was only pulling your little Welsh todger. To say they only base their analysis on two sources of data is akin to saying Wales is just Cardiff and Swansea. What about all those poor gits living in Aberystwyth and Shropshire! And as for Steve, oh mist rolling in from the sea, McIntyre, where's he based then? I bet it's Lampeter. And as for his hockey stick horseshit, that was nothing more than a botched application of the MBH98 procedure, where the authors (MM) removed 80% of the proxy data actually used by MBH98 during the 15th century period... Indeed, the bizarre resulting claim by MM of anomalous 15th century warmth (which falls within the heart of the "Little Ice Age") is at odds with not only the MBH98 reconstruction, but, in fact the roughly dozen other estimates now published that agree with MBH98 within estimated uncertainties. Love lesboxxx

You're getting the idea Lesbo, but the warmist would hang, draw and quarter you if you dare to say that Steve McIntyre (based in Canada) was 'one of them'. He was the statistician who debunked the hockey stick, and if you visit his site climate audit you'll see that he's currently going through some of the climategate data. he is also mentioned in a few of the emails regarding freedom of information requests, and is the person referred to when Prof Phil Jones discusses he's rather destroy data than let McIntyre get his hands on it.

[lesbodriver]

Pleased to see you're bowing to my superior intellect on this! I new I'd win you over from your quackish hokumry! But honestly Taff, you've gotta get out more. You spend far too much time watching Jezzer and the boys (bet you even watch the repeats on Dave!) and sending daft messages to forums like this!

[norfolkcaravanner]

Gotta better answer to all this bollocks......we kill every polar bear, except two, 1 male and 1 femail.....we send all the dead polars bears, frozen of course, to feed the starving people in Africa......we repeat this with seals, penguins, eskimos etc.......we then place the " Greenpeace Warrior " boat thing on top of a mountain somewhere in the middle east.......load the remaining animals,and eskimos on board...call the captain Swampy Noah....and leave the f****** boat there till the global warming floods the place, and a dove appears with a twig in its mouth!....been done before...read it somewhere......

[norfolkcaravanner]

The Copenhagen "thing" went down well then!!!!!!......

[norfolkcaravanner]

Gotta better answer to all this bollocks......we kill every polar bear, except two, 1 male and 1 femail.....we send all the dead polars bears, frozen of course, to feed the starving people in Africa......we repeat this with seals, penguins, eskimos etc.......we then place the " Greenpeace Warrior " boat thing on top of a mountain somewhere in the middle east.......load the remaining animals,and eskimos on board...call the captain Swampy Noah....and leave the f****** boat there till the global warming floods the place, and a dove appears with a twig in its mouth!....been done before...read it somewhere......

Cheaper than the "one eyed idiots " 1.5 billion quid of our hard earned!!!

[lesbodriver]

Dear Caravanchappie, £1.5b isn't enough to even begin to pay off this country's carbon debt to the developing world. As my mate Fidel says, the UK is, "the country where industrial development started and one of those which have released most carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

But where are we gonna find the wonga we need to clear our debt to the poor in these hard-pressed times? Lesbodriver's got a suggestion; why not make Top Gear pay-per-view? Yes, that's right, we're gonna privatise your favourite show. After all, isn't it about time those three state-funded apparatchicks found out what it was like to live and work in the real world?

[welshwizard]

Dear Caravanchappie, £1.5b isn't enough to even begin to pay off this country's carbon debt to the developing world. As my mate Fidel says, the UK is, "the country where industrial development started and one of those which have released most carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

So now we see your true colours. Castro. I'm betting Chavez is probably on your Christmas card list too.
Cap and trade, i.e. green/carbon TAX is just that........... A TAX.
Carbon dept?????????????????????? My arse. What a crock of shite. Breathing produces CO2, and with their populations of 1,139,964,932 (2008) and 1,325,639,982 (2008) for India and China respectively, at 61,399,118 ((2008) and about 7,000,000 of them are bloody immigrants we don't even scratch the surface.

But where are we gonna find the wonga we need to clear our debt to the poor in these hard-pressed times? Lesbodriver's got a suggestion; why not make Top Gear pay-per-view? Yes, that's right, we're gonna privatise your favourite show. After all, isn't it about time those three state-funded apparatchicks found out what it was like to live and work in the real world?

Privatisation and pay per view. Not the natural ground of the Marxist. But then again, if it means making life difficult or stopping the masses doing something they enjoy...............!!!
So, let's say we want to reduce our carbon arse print by 20%, the only way to do so would be to reduce our economy by 20%, i.e. putting another 6,000,000 people on the dole. Yes, that sounds like a good idea, 6,000,000 x £65.00 a week. That will help pay off the national dept, currently from figures published for November 2009, UK public sector net debt was £829.7 billion. (or 59.2% of National GDP) – Source: Office National Statistics.

[Ivor Bigtruck]

Dear Caravanchappie, £1.5b isn't enough to even begin to pay off this country's carbon debt to the developing world. As my mate Fidel says, the UK is, "the country where industrial development started and one of those which have released most carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

But where are we gonna find the wonga we need to clear our debt to the poor in these hard-pressed times? Lesbodriver's got a suggestion; why not make Top Gear pay-per-view? Yes, that's right, we're gonna privatise your favourite show. After all, isn't it about time those three state-funded apparatchicks found out what it was like to live and work in the real world?

Your right on one point. Britain is the country where industrial development started. Regardless of how much CO2 has been put into the atmosphere, the rest of the world, which benefited hugely from British industrial pioneering excellence should be grateful to us, not punishing us!

Without Britain instigating and driving forward the Industrial Revolution, the world would today be a very much poorer, and primitive place.

This present Government, under the excellent misguidance of Och-aye One-eye's failing dictatorship, has brought our once great nation to the brink of complete financial collapse. It will take us at least several decades to recover from this disaster of Neo-Communist ideological loonacy. Every man, woman and child is in debt to the rest of the world by several thousand pounds, and the sum keeps growing every year, and will continue to grow for several more years as the Government, and successive governments will have to borrow more and more.

And now they are talking of taxing us still further for environmental reasons, and sending OUR money off to the second and third world to help them reduce their carbon footprint!

What we all really know is that this cash will very likely end up in the back pockets of several tinpot dictators, probably with a dodgy backhander to Dictator Och-aye One-eye as well for his troubles.

[norfolkcaravanner]

Agree........reckon Lesbos really Swampy in drag.......

[lesbodriver]

Oh caravan, how sweet- you say the nicest things. And Dafyd, what a compliment: Fidel, Hugo, Lesbo ...... It's got such a good ring to it! As for you Ivor ("right on one point"), I knew you'd start to see things my way. But seriously boys, don't you think that your brand of climate-change denying, neoliberal, nationalism is a little bit beyond its sell-by date. I mean Ivor, do you really believe that we Brits are somehow better than the rest of the world! It's like saying Jezzer's a snappy dresser or that James May has a nice haircut! It's daft. And as for you caravanchops, you just don't get it do you! You can quote all the figures you like, but this is an ethical question, about right and wrong. All this belly-aching that it's gonna cost too much; you're like the hit and run driver who refuses to pay damages on the grounds that he's his victim's moral superior. And I thought you boys were big on law and order!

Anyway, I thought you'd be more enthusiastic about my plan to privatise TopQuear. Surely we need to liberate Jezzer and the boys from the shackles of the flabby, inefficient, state-run BBC. We'll create a TopQuear free market with competition and pay-per-view pricing. Of course, we'll have to start with some cost cutting to make it more attractive to private investors. I say sack the short one; it's not much good being on a programme about cars if you don't even know how to drive!!!

Viva Fidel, viva Hugo, viva Swampy, viva Lesbodriver!!!!

[norfolkcaravanner]

Well......we get shot of tin knickers.....and end up with this stupid c***......happy days!

[Ivor Bigtruck]

[quote="lesbodriver"]I mean Ivor, do you really believe that we Brits are somehow better than the rest of the world!/quote]


I believe there are many achivements and qualities we Brits should be rightly proud of (but not bloody gay pride. What is it they are actually so proud of exactly?).

As for being better than the rest of the world, well generally no. But similarly we are no worse than the rest of the world either.

My previous posting was a statement of fact regarding British pioneering during the Industrial Revolution and the British Empire. Many countries are still proud to be part of the Commonwealth - fact.

I do stand by my point that we should not allow ourselves as a nation to be punished, or criticised for leading the vast majority of the world out of the dark ages, no matter how badly that truth sits with the apologists on the loony left, {who usually are 'PAPS' (Parasitic Arm of the Public Sector)}.

[lesbodriver]

Dear norfolkcaravanknob, I do believe you have something of the serial killer about you. As for you Ivor, your question about gay pride and fear of punishment are clear signs of (probably latent at the moment) gay, sado-masochist tendencies! It's obvious from your emails that you have serious issues; I suggest a sustained bout of counselling for the both of you! By the way, are BBC employees PAPS?